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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Mon, 12/2/2002 at 8:52 EDT (Mon, 12/2/2002 at 6:52 CST)
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In Reply To: Many Meetings 10: The Feast  <Kiskadee>  [11/30/2002 @ 22:52]  (6/11)
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My belated thoughts.
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1) Rivendell serves a similar purpose in both The Hobbit and LotR.  Do you see any parallels  between Frodo’s and Bilbo’s journeys to Rivendell?

A.  Well, I suppose the adventure with the trolls, like the hobbits' adventure with the Black Riders, was a prelude to the main tale of The Hobbit, although a much shorter prelude to a much shorter tale.  Interestingly, just as the hobbits found weapons in the Barrow-mound, Bilbo, Thorin, and Gandalf found weapons in the troll-treasure.  Bilbo did exhibit some bravery in the troll adventure, although the adventure would have ended badly if Gandalf had not returned.  That's about as far as I can take it.  The contrasts are more striking than the parallels, since Frodo had so much more trouble and so many more adventures along the way.

2) Did you think it strange that Frodo (a convalescent considered a few hours before this almost too delicate to hear what had happened to him at the Ford) was left to fend for himself in an unfamiliar social situation? 

A.  I would say that Elrond consulted with Gandalf that morning and decided that Frodo had made a full recovery.  I think there was something in the air in Rivendell that would make every stranger feel at home, no matter how strange the surroundings.  And putting Frodo next to Gloin was a wise move, since Frodo was used to speaking with dwarves from the Lonely Mountain and would be interested in what he had to say.

3) The “fading” of the Elves from Middle-earth is emphasized in LOTR.  The fate of the Dwarves is not discussed as much.  Are we seeing a hint here that the Dwarves are also fading?

A.  Only a slight hint in the loss of the old skills, but although the skills were fading, the dwarven population and engineering projects were apparently increasing.

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