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Nick: gullygilly (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sun, 12/1/2002 at 12:19 EDT
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In Reply To: Many Meetings 11:  The Reunion  <Kiskadee>  [11/30/2002 @ 22:58]  (8/8)
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1) I think this is the climactic scene of this chapter and a very important scene in FotR as a whole. We have heard about how the Ring transformed Smeagol into Gollum. But now we begin to see the effects on characters we know. I think we see the both the seeds of Frodo’s eventual inability to give up the Ring and, through Bilbo, the depth of the after effects of bearing the Ring. What is the reason for Frodo's reluctance to show Bilbo the Ring? Is it concern for Bilbo or something else? Did it occur to you at this point that Frodo would not be able to give up the Ring in the end? Or, like me, did you blithely assume that of course Frodo would be able to overcome the Ring?


1A: Frodo’s reluctance to show the ring to Bilbo might most likely be both reasons: his concern for Bilbo and the effect the ring has on him. Rarely are ones motives singular. I read the story the first time when I was young and naïve…so I believed he would give the ring up in the end. And to this day every time I read this part I think, what if Gollum hadn’t ripped the ring away. Would Frodo still not throw the ring in the fires of Mordor? I think he would have…remember that each time he puts on the ring he eventually come to his senses. Gollum just be him to it. Just call me the eternal optimist here…

2) Is the vision of Bilbo that Frodo sees a sort of mirage caused by the Ring working on Frodo? Or is Frodo actually seeing “beyond the veil” as he did with Glorfindel and looking at Bilbo’s soul as it is worked on by desire for the Ring? Do you think Frodo’s lingering “transparency” from the Morgul-knife wound gives him the ability to perceive things beyond the abilities of most mortals?

2A:  It was always my impression that the Morgul knife and possession of the ring gave him perceptions beyond other mortals. I don’t think it’s spiritual, and I don’t think Bilbo actually transformed, but  “a shadow seemed to have fallen between them” – Frodo how the ring changed someone he loves.

3) Why does Bilbo pass his hand over his eyes? Wouldn’t it make more sense for Frodo to be the one who rubs his eyes? So you think Bilbo saw something when he looked at Frodo? Or was it just that he saw hatred on Frodo’s expression?

3A: Bilbo hides his eyes to escape looking at the ring and Frodo.

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