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Nick: Kiskadee (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sat, 11/30/2002 at 22:52 EDT (Sat, 11/30/2002 at 21:52 EST)
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Many Meetings 10: The Feast
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Rivendell is the one major journey location that LotR shares with The Hobbit,.  In both stories it serves as a place where the travelers can rest in safety before moving on to the more dangerous portion of their journeys. 

Tolkien wrote that Rivendell “represents Lore – the preservation in reverent memory of all tradition concerning the good, wise, and beautiful.  It is not a scene of action but of reflection.  Thus it is a place visited on the way to all deeds, or ‘adventures’.  It may prove to be on the direct road (as in The Hobbit); but it may be necessary to go from there in a totally unexpected course.” ---Letter 131.  So perhaps it is appropriate that in Rivendell several of the threads of that earlier story are reintroduced and updated.

Next to Frodo on his right sat a dwarf of important appearance, richly dressed.  His beard, very long and forked, was white, nearly as white as the snow-white cloth of his garments.  He wore a silver belt, and round his neck hung a chain of silver and diamonds.  Frodo stopped eating to look at him.
   'Welcome and well met!' said the dwarf, turning toward him. Then he actually rose from his seat and bowed.  'Gloin at your service,' he said, and bowed still lower.
  'Frodo Baggins at your service and your family's,' said Frodo correctly, rising in surprise and scattering his cushions.  'Am I right in guessing that you are the Gloin, one of the Twelve Companions of Thorin Oakenshield?'
  'Quite right,' answered the dwarf, gathering up the cushions and courteously assisting Frodo back into his seat. 

From Gloin we learn the fate of most of the major participants in The Hobbit:  Beorn's son, Grimbeorn, controls much of the land between the Mountains and Mirkwood;   the grandson of Bard the Bowman is king of Dale and lands far south and east;   Dain is still King under the Mountain and most of the Dwarves we met in The Hobbit still live at the Lonely Mountain, although poor Bombur is now too fat to move.  The Dwarves are doing very well and have built wonderful things both on and in the mountain and in Dale itself.   But there is a hint of shadow in Gloin's news.  Balin, Ori and Oin have gone missing in some mysterious fashion  and, even though the dwarves have achieved much, they cannot match the metal-work done before the coming of the dragon.  

At the last Gloin and Frodo speak of Bilbo:

'I will come and see them, if ever I can,' said Frodo.  'How surprised Bilbo would have been to see all the changes in the Desolation of Smaug!'
    Gloin looked at Frodo and smiled. 'You were very fond of Bilbo were you not?' he asked.
'Yes,' answered Frodo. 'I would rather see him than all the towers and palaces in the world.'

Of course, Frodo will shortly get his wish and the fate of the last member of Thorin's company will be revealed.


1) Rivendell serves a similar purpose in both The Hobbit and LotR.  Do you see any parallels  between Frodo’s and Bilbo’s journeys to Rivendell?

2) Did you think it strange that Frodo (a convalescent considered a few hours before this almost too delicate to hear what had happened to him at the Ford) was left to fend for himself in an unfamiliar social situation?    

3) The “fading” of the Elves from Middle-earth is emphasized in LOTR.  The fate of the Dwarves is not discussed as much.  Are we seeing a hint here that the Dwarves are also fading?

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