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Nick: Kiskadee (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sat, 11/30/2002 at 22:43 EDT (Sat, 11/30/2002 at 21:43 EST)
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Many Meetings 9: Elves here and elves there
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‘And Elves, sir!  Elves here, and Elves there! Some like kings, terrible and splendid; and some as merry as children.  And the music and the singing --not that I have had the time or the heart for much listening since we got here.’

In The Hobbit we seem to have mostly met the "merry as children" variety of Rivendell elves.  And even though Tolkien admonishes the reader that thinking elves are foolish "is a very foolish thing to think", they really do come off as silly at the least.   Recall what they were singing when we first met them in The Hobbit:

O! Where are you going
With beards all a-wagging?
No knowing, no knowing
What brings Mister Baggins,
     And Balin and Dwalin
       down into the valley
              in June
              ha! ha!

And then, there is that whole “Tra-la-la-lally” thing as well….


Compare that to our first view of elves in Rivendell. 

"Glorfindel was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of joy; his eyes were bright and keen and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was strength.

“....Young she was and yet not so.  The braids of her dark hair were touched by no frost; her white arms and clear face were flawless and smooth, and the light of stars was in her bright eyes, grey as a cloudless night; yet queenly she looked, and thought and knowledge were in her glance, as of one who has known many things that the years bring...Such loveliness in living thing Frodo had never seen before nor imagined in his mind;..."


1)Do you think Tolkien used a different characterization of Elves in The Hobbit and was then forced to reconcile the two views?  Is Tolkien trying to bridge these depictions when he has Sam say "Some like kings, terrible and splendid; and some as merry as children"?

2)So there are elves here and elves there?  How many elves are there in Rivendell anyway? 

3) We meet Arwen Undomiel for the first time in this chapter.   Tolkien is relatively subtle in drawing the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn (and especially so for a very young person reading the book for the first time.)   Did you figure out instantly that this was Aragorn’s “girlfriend”?  It took me until the banner is delivered to really get the idea: a huge embroidery project  for someone else always involves love of some sort ;-) I like that Tolkien's very short description emphasizes her intelligence and wisdom as well as her beauty.

4) Did you form definate ideas about the appearance of Glorfindel, Arwen, and Elrond?  Feel free to share.  Are there any illustrators’ drawings that you favor ? (Please, do not post THAT picture of Elrond—you know of what I speak.)   Did the movie change your mind?  The movie Arwen has replaced my imaginings but Elrond remains firmly nebulous for me.

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