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Nick: Watson (Forum Admin)
Date/Time: Sat, 11/16/2002 at 10:34 EDT (Sat, 11/16/2002 at 9:34 CDT)
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In Reply To: VERY interesting, Watson...  <Varda Elentari>  [11/16/2002 @ 9:45]  (1/2)
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It's scattered about through...
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The HoME books and Tolkien's Letters.  There are interesting things to be found most specifically in Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels, The Peoples of Middle-earth, and Tolkien's Letters has some of his longer discussions of such matters as "did Gandalf really die?"  In the HoME books, the mentions about any of the Istari are generally brief, but often quite enlightening (the repeated mentions of Olorin's capacity as a source of inspiration and hope makes me wonder, sometimes, if Tolkien thought of him, as a Maia, as being some kind of Muse).  There is interesting material on the Blue Wizards in The Peoples of Middle-earth (although it in some ways directly contradicts things he said elsewhere about them, most specifically that the Istari first appeared during the second millennium of the Third Age; one of his speculations is that Alatar and Pallando, whom he gives different names here, showed up during the Second Age).  Fortunately, all of the books are indexed, although the Letters are actually much more detailed and precise in the cataloging of information than some of the HoME books.  If, for instance, you try to look up Olorin in either Morgoth's Ring or TPoME, you will find only one or two pages referenced, but if you sit down and read the book, you will find that there are several others (one of which is rather significant, I think) that are not indexed at all, not under any name of the character.  Sometimes, if you want to find all the information available, you really do need to sit down and read the things cover to cover, no matter how dry some parts may be.  Good luck in the hunting!

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