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Nick:	Reverend (Registered User)
Date/Time:	Tue, 10/1/2002 at 15:12 EDT
Browser/OS:	Microsoft Internet Explorer V5.5 using Windows 95
In Reply To:	I believe, <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 12:24] (1/5)
Subject:	Mechanically plausable....
Message:
...to which we could add that Sauron poured much of his natural power, which seems to have been based in deceit, into the Ring. The Ring doesn't just control minds, it tricks them. We might guess (call this a Utterly Unsupported Theory) that Sauron, saner than Morgoth and falling through a wish to make things orderly, would have been less than happy with Morgoth's nilhistic madness. We might imagine that his goal was not so much to revive the good old Morgoth, but to encompass the power of Morgoth and weild it as the ruling intelligence of the Shadow.

Message Thread:

Answers/opinions needed on Frodo's use of the Ring: NZ_Strider: you commented on this once; others also welcome... <mallorn-ws> [9/30/2002 @ 19:51] (7/58)

I am truly indebted to you all for your great efforts <mallorn-ws> [10/1/2002 @ 20:21] (1/1)

who, us, "stubborn"? (smile) (No Text) <Froda> [10/2/2002 @ 9:16] (0/0)

I deeply regret .... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 13:16] (1/6)

objection! <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 13:44] (1/5)

It's part of my countercase as well. <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 16:06] (1/4)

"You have not weighed the Sinfulness of Sin" <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 19:04] (1/3)

This is difficult to respond to... <NZ Strider> [10/2/2002 @ 2:00] (1/2)

I'm sure we'll return to this vexed point <Froda> [10/2/2002 @ 9:01] (1/1)

I take exception... <Watson> [10/2/2002 @ 9:43] (0/0)

Here's what Tolkien himself said: <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 6:46] (7/23)

assent & query <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 10:57] (2/7)

Supplemental to what Curious says, <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 15:45] (0/0)
I believe, <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 12:24] (1/5)

Mechanically plausable.... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 15:12] (1/4)

now that's interesting! <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 15:35] (1/3)

But <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 16:08] (1/2)

Yes, yes... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 19:11] (1/1)

As <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 20:04] (0/0)

This is the danger... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 9:21] (2/9)

Can I answer to both your responses here? <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 15:38] (1/5)

I object to <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 16:43] (1/4)

Very quickly, <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 17:07] (1/3)

As you have said... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 20:23] (1/2)

I'm sorry if I <NZ Strider> [10/2/2002 @ 3:05] (1/1)

It isn't... <Watson> [10/2/2002 @ 8:50] (0/0)

Tolkien loved ambiguity! <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 9:50] (1/2)

Niggle's Parish <Amatire> [10/1/2002 @ 10:34] (1/1)

Thanks! I <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 12:03] (0/0)

And yet <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 8:46] (0/0)
sheesh <Amatire> [10/1/2002 @ 8:41] (0/0)
Excellent, NZS. <Ataahua> [10/1/2002 @ 7:49] (0/0)
wow <Demosthenes> [10/1/2002 @ 7:17] (0/0)
Corrigenda <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 6:50] (0/0)

Does one have to actually put the ring on... <iowaboy> [9/30/2002 @ 20:48] (1/6)

I think there's a distinction to be made... <Silverlode> [9/30/2002 @ 21:53] (3/5)

Gollum does not promise to the Precious, but *by* the Precious (No Text) <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 6:26] (2/2)

Yes... <Silverlode> [10/1/2002 @ 21:03] (0/0)
swearing <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 10:41] (0/0)

Nicely said, plus another important factor <Altaira> [9/30/2002 @ 23:48] (0/0)
I think so, for the most part... <iowaboy> [9/30/2002 @ 22:11] (0/0)

nice summary <Demosthenes> [9/30/2002 @ 20:47] (0/0)
Well... <Watson> [9/30/2002 @ 20:15] (4/15)

Hmm... I think I see several things differently from you. <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 7:17] (1/4)

What I attempted to say... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 9:13] (1/3)

i believe that we are in complete agreement... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 15:03] (1/2)

Well... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 15:45] (1/1)

Very right.... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 18:48] (0/0)

Another possibility. <Curious> [9/30/2002 @ 21:22] (1/2)

promises promises <Demosthenes> [9/30/2002 @ 21:41] (1/1)

But Frodo doesn't <Curious> [9/30/2002 @ 21:55] (0/0)

Then the difference <Merryk> [9/30/2002 @ 21:00] (2/5)

I wasn't aware that was the question being asked, but... <Watson> [9/30/2002 @ 21:26] (1/2)

Sorry for the tone... <Merryk> [9/30/2002 @ 22:28] (1/1)

Frodo's inheritance... <Watson> [9/30/2002 @ 23:35] (0/0)

Sam holds the Ring... <beren_boy> [9/30/2002 @ 21:09] (1/1)

Sam's desire for the ring <Demosthenes> [9/30/2002 @ 21:15] (0/0)

I agree. (No Text) <beren_boy> [9/30/2002 @ 20:35] (0/0)

Well, i think he used what he could do with the Ring as a threat. <Ufthak> [9/30/2002 @ 20:07] (0/0)

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