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Nick:	Reverend (Registered User)
Date/Time:	Tue, 10/1/2002 at 13:16 EDT
Browser/OS:	Microsoft Internet Explorer V5.5 using Windows 95
In Reply To:	Answers/opinions needed on Frodo's use of the Ring: NZ_Strider: you commented on this once; others also welcome... <mallorn-ws> [9/30/2002 @ 19:51] (7/58)
Subject:	I deeply regret ....
Message:
...that my computer went down yesterday just as I was trying to be the first to reply to this post. I haven't read the responses below yet, but what I was GOING to say is that the use of the Ring to dominate others is the ultimate evil. And deliberate use of the Ring (as opposed to invisibility, which I think is a side effect) would certainly alert Sauron. Galadriel lays out a very unattractive picture of what Frodo would have to do to use the true power of the Ring. I do not see Frodo doing this, nor do I imagine that he would try. In Mordor, when Gollum is harshly threatened, I believe it is the Ring itself speaking (Frodo being so far gone that the ring can override him at this point). I strongly feel that, aside from all of the above, for Frodo to use the Ring to dominate would blow the moral center out of the book. Flee such notions. Now I will see how many people below have agreed with me. Avaunt!

Message Thread:

Answers/opinions needed on Frodo's use of the Ring: NZ_Strider: you commented on this once; others also welcome... <mallorn-ws> [9/30/2002 @ 19:51] (7/58)

I am truly indebted to you all for your great efforts <mallorn-ws> [10/1/2002 @ 20:21] (1/1)

who, us, "stubborn"? (smile) (No Text) <Froda> [10/2/2002 @ 9:16] (0/0)

I deeply regret .... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 13:16] (1/6)

objection! <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 13:44] (1/5)

It's part of my countercase as well. <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 16:06] (1/4)

"You have not weighed the Sinfulness of Sin" <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 19:04] (1/3)

This is difficult to respond to... <NZ Strider> [10/2/2002 @ 2:00] (1/2)

I'm sure we'll return to this vexed point <Froda> [10/2/2002 @ 9:01] (1/1)

I take exception... <Watson> [10/2/2002 @ 9:43] (0/0)

Here's what Tolkien himself said: <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 6:46] (7/23)

assent & query <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 10:57] (2/7)

Supplemental to what Curious says, <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 15:45] (0/0)
I believe, <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 12:24] (1/5)

Mechanically plausable.... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 15:12] (1/4)

now that's interesting! <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 15:35] (1/3)

But <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 16:08] (1/2)

Yes, yes... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 19:11] (1/1)

As <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 20:04] (0/0)

This is the danger... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 9:21] (2/9)

Can I answer to both your responses here? <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 15:38] (1/5)

I object to <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 16:43] (1/4)

Very quickly, <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 17:07] (1/3)

As you have said... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 20:23] (1/2)

I'm sorry if I <NZ Strider> [10/2/2002 @ 3:05] (1/1)

It isn't... <Watson> [10/2/2002 @ 8:50] (0/0)

Tolkien loved ambiguity! <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 9:50] (1/2)

Niggle's Parish <Amatire> [10/1/2002 @ 10:34] (1/1)

Thanks! I <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 12:03] (0/0)

And yet <Curious> [10/1/2002 @ 8:46] (0/0)
sheesh <Amatire> [10/1/2002 @ 8:41] (0/0)
Excellent, NZS. <Ataahua> [10/1/2002 @ 7:49] (0/0)
wow <Demosthenes> [10/1/2002 @ 7:17] (0/0)
Corrigenda <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 6:50] (0/0)

Does one have to actually put the ring on... <iowaboy> [9/30/2002 @ 20:48] (1/6)

I think there's a distinction to be made... <Silverlode> [9/30/2002 @ 21:53] (3/5)

Gollum does not promise to the Precious, but *by* the Precious (No Text) <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 6:26] (2/2)

Yes... <Silverlode> [10/1/2002 @ 21:03] (0/0)
swearing <Froda> [10/1/2002 @ 10:41] (0/0)

Nicely said, plus another important factor <Altaira> [9/30/2002 @ 23:48] (0/0)
I think so, for the most part... <iowaboy> [9/30/2002 @ 22:11] (0/0)

nice summary <Demosthenes> [9/30/2002 @ 20:47] (0/0)
Well... <Watson> [9/30/2002 @ 20:15] (4/15)

Hmm... I think I see several things differently from you. <NZ Strider> [10/1/2002 @ 7:17] (1/4)

What I attempted to say... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 9:13] (1/3)

i believe that we are in complete agreement... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 15:03] (1/2)

Well... <Watson> [10/1/2002 @ 15:45] (1/1)

Very right.... <Reverend> [10/1/2002 @ 18:48] (0/0)

Another possibility. <Curious> [9/30/2002 @ 21:22] (1/2)

promises promises <Demosthenes> [9/30/2002 @ 21:41] (1/1)

But Frodo doesn't <Curious> [9/30/2002 @ 21:55] (0/0)

Then the difference <Merryk> [9/30/2002 @ 21:00] (2/5)

I wasn't aware that was the question being asked, but... <Watson> [9/30/2002 @ 21:26] (1/2)

Sorry for the tone... <Merryk> [9/30/2002 @ 22:28] (1/1)

Frodo's inheritance... <Watson> [9/30/2002 @ 23:35] (0/0)

Sam holds the Ring... <beren_boy> [9/30/2002 @ 21:09] (1/1)

Sam's desire for the ring <Demosthenes> [9/30/2002 @ 21:15] (0/0)

I agree. (No Text) <beren_boy> [9/30/2002 @ 20:35] (0/0)

Well, i think he used what he could do with the Ring as a threat. <Ufthak> [9/30/2002 @ 20:07] (0/0)

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