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Nick: Watson (Forum Admin)
Date/Time: Tue, 10/1/2002 at 9:13 EDT (Tue, 10/1/2002 at 8:13 CDT)
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In Reply To: Hmm...  I think I see several things differently from you.  <NZ Strider>  [10/1/2002 @ 7:17]  (1/4)
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...is that Frodo did not use the power of the Ring to dominate Gollum.  Tolkien explicitly says that his heightened strength of will was primarily directed toward his own resistance of the Ring.  And though he clearly did dominate Gollum to some extent, there's a world of difference between doing so on an ordinary level -- even using threats, such as they were -- and using the actual power of the Ring to do so.  There's no evidence that Frodo did that; indeed, I think if he HAD tried to use the Ring that way, things would have gone much more badly for him much sooner.  Remember, Galadriel told him that he would need many years of training his will to the domination of others in order to use the power of the Ring, and if he tried without that ability, it would break him.  (Which is another reason I don't believe Frodo made use of the Ring in that way.)

What he used it for was the carrot to keep Gollum in line.  He knew of Gollum's desire and need for it, and knew that so long as he held it, he COULD dominate Gollum enough to make him useful to them.  But I also believe it was his pity and kindness toward Gollum that prevented him from attempting to slit Frodo's throat while he and Sam slept; the Ring could not have elicited the gentler feelings of affection from someone like Gollum.  That was Frodo's doing, without the power of the Ring.

And there's that scene on Mount Doom to think about:  "A crouching shape, scarcely more than the shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with a hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire."

Given Tolkien's usual symbology and imagery, if Frodo had been using the actual power of the Ring, I doubt very much he would have appeared as "untouchable by pity, a figure robed in white."  The image of Gollum is one corrupted and wasted by the Ring, yet though Frodo holds the "wheel of fire," he is still not stained by it, not in that way.  He has used the fact that he has it and that Gollum wants it to dominate him enough to make him obedient, yet until the very end, when he reached the limits of his ability to resist the pressure of the Ring, I do not believe he ever attempted to use its actual power to force his will upon Gollum.


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