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Nick: Amatire (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 10/1/2002 at 8:41 EDT (Tue, 10/1/2002 at 12:41 GMT)
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In Reply To: Here's what Tolkien himself said:  <NZ Strider>  [10/1/2002 @ 6:46]  (7/23)
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sheesh
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that has just totally changed my opinion of what is happening in "the taming of smeagolsmeagol" and beyond..  Im am majorly impressed by your argument!  I think Im going to go back and re-read those passages with what you posted in mind.. the whole feel of what is going on has subtly changed for me.. I never believed before that frodofrodofrodofrodo was actually "using" the ring when he made smeagolsmeagol swear by it, and my idea of how the ring increased its hold over frodofrodofrodofrodo was purely to do with their geographical location, they were getting closer to sauron, so the ring was responding to his proximity.. but I think it shows just how tight a position frodofrodofrodofrodo had got himself into - through no fault of his own - that he was forced to use the ring to get to mordor, and therefore forced into allowing it to control him further and further.. 

is there any reference in the following passages that shows that the weight of the ring or the strain on frodofrodofrodofrodo had increased in relation to his exerting control over smeagolsmeagol?  Something that directly connects the two..?

by the way NZ_Strider I love that quote you have as your signature.. powerful and profound!

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