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Nick: Blue Wizard (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 8/16/2002 at 11:04 EDT
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In Reply To: UT: The Istari #9 - Gandalf: The Flame Within  <Altaira>  [8/15/2002 @ 21:28]  (6/20)
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Someone earlier had asked about Tolkien's hierarchy of the Ainur
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And, one could speculate that Gandalf is one of whatever order Tolkien would have to correspond to the Seraphim. The name may be derived from the Hebrew verb "saraph", meaning "to consume with fire", or alternatively from the Hebrew noun "seraph", meaning "a fiery and flying serpent". In turn, those words are closely related to, and derived from the Babylonian "Sharrapu", a name for Nergal, a fire-god, or with the Egyptian griffins "séréf".

In the larger context of Tolkiens cosmonogy, it might be speculated that Istari like Gandalf are of the same unnamed "order" as the Balrogs and Dragons of Middle Earth. The "bad guys" conform closely to the dragon/griffin image, and Gandalf to description of a Seraph as a bearer, in human form, of the celestial flame used to purify Isiah's lips.

There are problems with this kind of comparison, however. Lots of them, actually. Raises more questions than it answers. For instance, are dragons and balrogs equals or inferiors to Sauron? Aren't the Istari of the same order as he? If not, what does it mean if they are of an inferior order? I could go on, but I won't.

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