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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 8/16/2002 at 8:22 EDT (Fri, 8/16/2002 at 6:22 CST)
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In Reply To: Would/could he ever have entered Mordor?  <lumpkin>  [8/16/2002 @ 0:42]  (2/2)
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He certainly could have done so before
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. . . Sauron returned, but in general he was there to inspire and tutor the forces of the West, not to scout the forces of the East.  I tend to think Dol Guldur was an exception, and may have been as much about meeting Thrain "by accident" as about the purported mission.

As for your second observation, I agree that it is difficult to account for the Enemy's ignorance of the Shire, particularly because of the Witch-king of Angmar's long residence in the north during the very time that the Shire was founded.  However Saruman was aware of the Shire, mostly because he observed Gandalf's interest, as described in "The Hunt for the Ring" in Unfinished Tales.

As someone noted, however, Sauron's ignorance of the Shire is no more strange than Morgoth's ignorance of Gondolin.  Perhaps in both cases such ignorance is a sign that a Higher Power was involved.

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