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Nick: NZ Strider (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 8/15/2002 at 23:03 EDT (Fri, 8/16/2002 at 16:03 NZDT)
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In Reply To: UT: The Istari #9 - Gandalf: The Flame Within  <Altaira>  [8/15/2002 @ 21:28]  (6/20)
Subject:
Agree with Karen & the Reverend
Message:

"The flame within" is clearly metaphorical language -- of the sort as "the light in one's eyes" or "fire in one's belly."  Unless you look closely at Gandalf, it seems all you saw was an old man clad in dingy grey; and even when he was clad in shining white, unless you looked closely, it was still just an old man you saw. 
     But, as the Reverend, suggests the passage should probably be read next to that detailing the encounter with the Balrog, who represents the "fire that devours and wastes" in opposition to the "flame of Anor."  I'd take "the flame of Anor" to refer to the light of the Sun which nurtures and warms; this is the "fire" which Gandalf wields against the "flame of Udun/Hell." 
     The Balrog, as a fire-demon from Norse mythology, which has Surt appearing at Ragnarok, is (mythologically) quite literally a world-destroying, devouring fire.  The Gandalf's body should, perhaps metaphorically, be suffused with the bright light of day, which occasionally shines forth when you look closely, is only fair.

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All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king. 

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