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Elvish Lesson Transcript 06-18-03
Jincey @ 9:23 pm EST

[Annatar] Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo/ /Paul, Kris, and Jeff here, we'll be ready to start @ 8
[jincey] hiya annatar : ))
[Annatar] Hello eveyone. we are Paul Dunne, Kris Nelson, and Jeff Sherrill, and we do a Panel on Elvish
[Annatar] Welcome, and please bear with us as we try to get our footing
[jincey] everyone, i'd like to introduce you to three really cool guys i met in atlanta a few years ago
[jincey] jeff sherrill, paul dunne, and kris nelson have been teaching elvish for several years at atlanta's dragon*con
[Annatar] We are not the big experts on Elvish, or anything, but we have been studying it using the resources available in print and on the web
[jincey] tonight they are here on one computer, known collectively as annatar
[Annatar] What we thought we'd do is see where people's interest is, and show some of the places we use for information
[Annatar] First of all how many people here are acutally interested in learning the Elish language?
[Maeglin_Lomion] Right now, I'm gathering a list of Elvish words, then would like to learn sentence structure.
[Estel_MM] i am
[Zerolene] i'm with ML
[Morodiel] Me too
[Cer] yep
[Zerolene] in fact, i was just about to say about the same thing
[Jackie] same here
[HannaBoffin] I would like to also learn some vocabulary
[KingofGondolin] yep
[Raziel] Me too i'm learning quenya from Helge Favskanger's docs
[Annatar] Maeglin, excellent. There is a wonderful way to learn the sentence structure on Helge's site, ArdaLambion
[Toe] sentence structure would be good
[Kriinge] Oh uhm i want to learn what they want to learn
[Annatar] HannaBoffin, Helge's ArdaLambion does have a Quenya Corpus word list
[Raziel] and so much more\
[Annatar] www.ardalambion.com
[HannaBoffin] yes, but is that the best way to start? vocab first, and then structure
[HannaBoffin] I have checked out ardalambion...it is HUGE!
[Kriinge] I just really want to learn because I'm curious. and interested.
[Zerolene] what's the difference between the 3 types of elvish?
[Annatar] that is the ardalambion site run by Helg Fauskanger
[Maeglin_Lomion] I have the Sindarin dictionary, but I think the original website I downloaded it from is down.
[Cer] yeah
[Raziel] no, he has a tutorial, a quenya course, by no means just vocab
[Alorin] I'd like to see what you have to say about the Sindarin sentence structure.. Not much info to get about that anywhere
[Annatar] Zerolene, first there is Quenya which is the primary almost root language
[Annatar] second there is Sindarin which ultimately dirives from the more basic Quenya
[Annatar] not certain what you believe to be the third language....Quenya and Sindarin are the basic two
[Zerolene] what's tengwar.. or something... i dunno, i heard people talking about it
[Estel_MM] elvish writing Zerolene
[Zerolene] oh, k
[Kriinge] ooooh I see.
[Toe] Is there anywhere that teaches the black tongue of mordor?
[Annatar] Tengwar is actually not a language per sae....it is the rune forms that the Elvish (and any particular) language can be writen in
[Raziel] i have tengwar font on my comp
[Annatar] Toe, there is not nearly enough information about the black speach to learn it
[Toe] Any where with even a few words or phrases?
[Annatar] as far We know there are only a few words and no whole sentances (except for the ring inscription)
[Raziel] yeah, just or 3 sentences, the message on the ring and Orc's curse
[Toe] ok
[Raziel] if you can call the curse a sentence
[Morodiel] I believe the Grey Havens has a small piece on it
[Toe] any dwarvish?
[Raziel] Ugluk to to the cesspool dung-filth sha saruman-fool skai
[Annatar] Alorin, as for Sindarin sentance structure there is not much to be found.
[Alorin] Is there anything?
[HannaBoffin] Is there any written material/books that one could purchase to learn quenya?
[Annatar] www.elvish.org
[Annatar] you can find what there is find about Sindarin here
[Morodiel] They have an article on Khuzdul, which I believe is dwarvish...
[jincey] what is your opinion of ruth noells book? ; )
[Raziel] Is that Tolkien?
[Raziel] he looks... nice
[Annatar] HannaBoffin, there is first of all a Quenya tutorial at www.ardalambion.com
[Annatar] Ruth Noell's book is not a very good source
[jincey] can you please explain why?
[Raziel] why?
[Annatar] It is a good start point
[Raziel] never read it
[Annatar] Ruth Noell's book has been superceeded
[Raziel] ???
[Annatar] The History of Middle Earth has many things about the languages that discredit Ruth Noell
[jincey] she wrote her book long before HoMe came out i think
[Annatar] As and example, The Lost Road has a part called the Etymologies which superceed Ruth Noell's interpretations
[Guest802556911] I'm interested learning how to piece together small sindarin sentences for fan fiction? What's the best way to start?
[Annatar] You can find "Movie Sindarin" at www.elvish.org
[Jackie] yes, I'd also like to learn sentence structure for Sindarin
[Annatar] O.k. there is not much availible about Sindarin sentance structure. Other that the link I just mentioned
[Annatar] though We'll see what We can come up with for you next week
[HannaBoffin] Pronunciation is another matter altogether, but also interesting to me :)
[Annatar] Unfortunately the most fully worked out grammar
[Annatar] is Quenya
[Guest802556911] I found a site that translated and parsed out the Sindarin used in the films and it was useful. It may have been the site you quoted
[Annatar] for that the best resourse is www.ardalambion.com
[Raziel] Why do you say unfortunately?
[Raziel] Quenya is a beautiful and well-structured language
[Annatar] I say unfortuately because most of the elvish words and pharases that you encounter in the books and movies is actually Sindarin
[Alorin] We all have our own favourite
[Annatar] Most of the Quenya is in the Silmarillion
[HannaBoffin] There was a lot said about the coaching the actors in LotR received in speaking elvish, was that Sindarin???
[Raziel] Quenta Silmarillon is mostly base don Quenya
[Raziel] lol
[Annatar] by the time of LOTR most people speak Sindarin not Quenya
[Annatar] acutally there is an even more basic Qenya which can only be found in HOME
[Guest802556911] Quenya is indeed well structured but when writing fan fiction not too useful as nobody in the third age speaks it as normal conversation. It's more ceremonial.
[Annatar] This is true Quest, though you'll find more scholoarly studies in Quenya
[Raziel] Not useful if writing about the third age, yet you can write about a lot more then the War of the RING
[Annatar] Also should you wish to write say poetry....Quenya is well suited
[Raziel] Good Point!
[Raziel] It's very Musical
[Estel_MM] i agree
[jincey] is namarie quenya or sindarin?
[Raziel] QUENYA
[Estel_MM] quenya
[Annatar] yes the Namarie sung/spoken by Galadriel is a good example of most Quenya grammar
[jincey] i have a clip of tolkien reading that
[Guest802556911] All very true, and I may just write some Sim based fan fic at some point.
[Estel_MM] me too
[Maeglin_Lomion] Is "navaer" its Sindarin equivalent?
[Raziel] never heard it?
[Annatar] The "Kings Letter" in Sauron Defeated (HOME V. IX) has a large chunk of Sindarin
[Alorin] Are the Sindarin pronouns immune to mutations? For example, Salos sentence "Lasto beth n'n", with peth-]beth... Would "Bring him" translate into "Togo chon" or "Togo hon" from Togo + Hon?
[Annatar] Maeglin it could be....
[SkyKing] what is a good recource for script/caligraphy, i will be etching several swords over the next few months
[Annatar] Unfortunatly we do not understand Sindarin lenition very well right now
[Maeglin_Lomion] I had seen it posted on a website and someone in Barli's used it as a farewell, but it may be just that person's interpretation...?
[Annatar] SkyKing, try this site hem.passagen.se
[Raziel] I beg your pardon but does anyone know where to find HomE as ebooks, because you couldn't find them in my country and importing them would cost me a fortune?
[Annatar] Raziel, we wish.....
[jincey] Raziel please stick to the topic
[maegwen] slightly off topic though
[Raziel] sorry
[Annatar] actually Jincey that is a good thought, because HOME has a lot of resources for the linguistic side
[jincey] an ebook would be gargantuan
[Raziel] 12 ebooks
[Annatar] The the most important of the 12 books is "The Lost Road" V.V, "Sauron Defeated" V. IX, and War of the Jewels V. X
[Annatar] opps War of the Jewels is Vol. XI
[Raziel] i already have LOTR, Silm, UT, and letters, but not HoME
[Raziel] thanks jincey
[Alorin] Could you explain to me why Salo uses the infinitive of the verb Na- in the sentence "Nad no ennas." instead of the present form Nâ?
[Alorin] This question has been bothering me for months =/
[Annatar] Right off the tip of the toungue not certain, though We can look into it and give you an answer next week
[Annatar] You can also find Our e-mail adresses at www.frodocoita.com
[Alorin] That'd be nice
[Annatar] who asked about pronunciation?
[Estel_MM] sry, but what/who is Salo?
[HannaBoffin] me
[Alorin] David Salo, the linguist who constructed all sentences in the LotR movies
[Annatar] David Salo is partially responsible for the movie Sindarin
[Alorin] *all elvish sentences
[Estel_MM] ahh, ok thank you
[Raziel] nice
[Annatar] hold brb as inJvstice
[Raziel] Why did Cate Blanchette cut the a in eArendil in the movie?
[Raziel] i kinda noticed that and it bothered me
[inJvstice] o.k. I'm back was Annatar a moment ago
[Raziel] she pronounce erendil
[jincey] wb jeff and kris and paul : )
[inJvstice] Jeff typing now
[Raziel] Why did Cate Blanchette cut the a in eArendil in the movie?
[Raziel] she pronounced erendil
[inJvstice] perhaps you could call that dialect
[inJvstice] although this brings up a good point
[inJvstice] the diaresis above the 'e' in Tolkien's words indicates that that 'e' is pronounced
[Raziel] Galadriel was around since the time of Feanor, she was in Valinor, i think she should have spoken the high language in its true form
[inJvstice] so in the name Earendil, you are correct. The two vowels should be seperately pronounced
[Guest802556911] when constructing a phrase like "my little star" I have come up with "Gileg nin" because I read in one of the online grammar that "my" comes after the word it is modifying? Is this right?
[inJvstice] ahhh Galadriel is not Cate Blanchett
[inJvstice] however, just for internal argument sake Galadriel had been in Middle for a very very very long time
[Raziel] i just said that
[inJvstice] Guest that would at least follow the Movie form of Sindarin
[Alorin] Well, I'd say that adjective following the noun is pretty well established?
[Guest802556911] The movie form by Salo? How else would it be done?
[inJvstice] Guest, we'll be getting into Sindarin grammar in a later session
[inJvstice] Salo made some interpretations to Sindarin in order to make it consistant and useable
[Guest802556911] InJvstice, thanks, I'll ask then.
[inJvstice] Sindarin grammar is not nearly a worked out as Quenya,thus some interpretation was necessary
[Raziel] He shouldn't have done that really, but bothering about those details is going too far, like asking why legolas was blonde in the movie :)
[inJvstice] right now we are pretty much looking to dissimlate the various sources one might use to learn the languages and Tengwar
[inJvstice] who is intersted in learning Tengwar?
[Estel_MM] i am
[SkyKing] i am
[Maeglin_Lomion] Me too
[Raziel] me3
[molrak] i am
[inJvstice] in the next week or two we hope to be able to run a lesson on how to write your name
[Estel_MM] nice
[Guest802556911] I would!
[SkyKing] i need it for etching script onto the swords i will be making in hte next month or two
[Raziel] i have the tengwar font at home, but don't know how it's structured
[inJvstice] for right now, however; there is a site at hem.passagen.se
[inJvstice] this is a link to the charts laid out there
[inJvstice] for those who are interested in doing their own leg work We recommend the Appendix E, in Return of the King
[inJvstice] there the Professer lays out the Tengwar values for Quenya and English
[Raziel] could you possibly also speak a little about the other type of writing invented by Feanor, the runes (like the ones on balin's grave and the sidebar of tornIRC)
[inJvstice] though I'll admit the previous link has it laid out already
[inJvstice] the Tengwar are the ones invented by Feanor
[[inJvstice] The Cirth (the more nordic runes) in App. E of RotK was invented by Daeron (in Beleriand)
[Raziel] didn't he invent two types of writing, tengwar for writing and the runes for carving?
[Raziel] oh, ok
[Raziel] thnx for the update
[inJvstice] the Sarati which can be found in HOME and at hem.passagen.se
[inJvstice] were invented by Rumil of Tirion (these are the ones that predate the Tengwar)
[inJvstice] the Tengwar are basically a phonetic alphabet
[inJvstice] meaning they can be used to represent sounds in any language
[inJvstice] so you can have Tengwar values for Quenya, Sindarin, English, and even Russian if you want
[inJvstice] there are some rules to adjusting the values, We'll get into that when we acutally run a bit on Tengwar in the couple of weeks
[Estel_MM] inJvstice, what can we do to become somewhat fluent in reading and writing in elvish (particularly Quenya)? Can the Quenya tutorial be enough?
[inJvstice] though these rules are laid out in RotK
[Alorin] Excuse me for coming back to David Salos sentences again, but could you answer me why he uses the present form "pedich" in www.elvish.org (first line) instead of the past tense, "pennech"?
[inJvstice] no
[inJvstice] not at this point
[inJvstice] Estel the tutorial is the best source for that
[[inJvstice] unfortunalty there are not enough attested words to be completely fluent
[inJvstice] In fact Estel, We have been useing Helge's tutorial quite extensively
[[Estel_MM] i c
[Raziel] i have noticed Sauron's black speech has some phonetical elements from sindarin, why is that?
[[inJvstice] o.k. quick poll, what would you people like to see in the upcoming weeks
[Raziel] choices
[inJvstice] because none speaking Black Speech would use Quenya
[Raziel] figures
[Raziel] about the poll... go ask
[Haradrim] I would like to see easy, quick reference charts for the differnent Language elements
[Estel_MM] learn sentences, common sentences
[Estel_MM] sentences that we would use in english everyday
[inJvstice] o.k. we've got some quick reference charts for Quenya, though they are not currently posted
[[Maeglin_Lomion] Grammar, sentence creation
[Guest802556911] Whatever can be found on sentence and Phrase structure in Sindarin!
[Alorin] Guest802556911 we talked about that before, there is none
[inJvstice] Estel, the likely problem with 'everyday' sentances there aren't that many 'everyday' words that Tolkien gives
[inJvstice] thank you Alorin
[inJvstice] though we'll see what we can come up with for some 'everyday
[Raziel] that's what i was going to say
[inJvstice] sentance ideas for next weekl
[Guest802556911] Sorry! must not have seen that posting! :-(
[Estel_MM] thanks
[Haradrim] It's possible to extrapolate words, and they are correct in themselves, but we have no idea whether Tolkien intended for there to be another word for that or not...we just can't know.
[inJvstice] that is true Haradrim
[Raziel] I only wish The Master was still alive
[Estel_MM] yes Raziel
[inJvstice] next week We can also try to translate your names into Elvlish
[jincey] he'd be pretty old and crotchety by now...
[Haradrim] How would you go about that?
[Alorin] I'd give 10 years of my life to him, so he could finish off Sindarin wordlists and grammars ;)
[Guest802556911] I like that idea.
[Estel_MM] that would be nice
[inJvstice] or out of Elvish if you prefer
[Raziel] if there was one man that deserved to be an elf...
[Haradrim] How would you go about translating names? Do you find the root-meanings of the names and translate those, then add the correct name...isms? How does that work/
[inJvstice] On closing I'd like to say that The Good Professor once said that He created the languages first and Middle Earth later as a place for the languages to exist in
[Raziel] i know
[inJvstice] Haradrim, yes that is basically how it works
[Haradrim] Thank you
[inJvstice] We've a compiled list of such roots relating to naming in English
[inJvstice] So for next week, we'll have an Elvish naming, some 'everyday' words and phrases
[Alorin] Could you translate Gandalfs Sindarin name; Olorin, for me?
[Raziel] he created Arda at first as a Historical/geographical/social etc. frame for his languages but in the end wound up creating one of the most beautiful stories, no WORLDS ever told.
[Haradrim] The question is, does he have to look it up?
[inJvstice] we think Olorin is Quenya (Mithrandir is Sindarin)
[Estel_MM] lol Haradrim
[Raziel] what is Lathspell in?
[inJvstice] Olorin is connected to "olos" which means dream or vision
[[inJvstice] he spent much time in Lorien (Valinor) with Irmo
[Raziel] and that -in sufix is quenya
[inJvstice] LathSpell is old english
[Alorin] oh, ok, I was wondering where that -in came from
[Raziel] Old english, really
[Haradrim] Loads of Rohirric are taken directly from Anglo-Saxon
[Raziel] does that really mean Ill-News in old english?
[inJvstice] -in came for the came in through the 'out door' *-)
[inJvstice] yes it does Raziel Gos-spell means good news
[Raziel] it means -ish, right?
[Raziel] Kool
[inJvstice] as in gospel
[Raziel] i got it
[inJvstice] o.k. peeps, this about does it for us tonight
[Raziel] htat's why i said kool
[Raziel] c'mon, stay some more!
[Guest802556911] cheers! Thanks a lot!
[Alorin] Well, thanks for your time ;-)
[Maeglin_Lomion] Thanks guys, will be looking forward to next week!
[inJvstice] we must consult the palantir and see of Stargate SG-1 is on
[jincey] thanks paul and kris and jeff : )
[Raziel] Namarië!
[jincey] lol
[Maeglin_Lomion] :) inJvstice
[Estel_MM] well i have to go, need to finish studying for my calculus exam tomorrow, thank you inJvstice. May the stars shine upon your faces, Namarie!
[inJvstice] Namarie
[inJvstice] next week, same Barliman's place, same Barliman's time
[jincey] : ))
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6-20-03 Latest News

Hall Of Fire Chats This Weekend
Frode @ 7:59 pm EST

Which culture do you think was the greatest of Middle Earth? Not an easy question considering what we've got to choose from. And what exactly makes a culture great? Tolkien filled Middle Earth with fascinating cultures and he gave them languages, complex histories, tragedies and triumphs. Elves, Dwarves and Men all created grand realms that would shape and change the world for good and bad. And what about the Shire? Surely not the grandest realm, but can it still not be said to have been truly great and successful?

The Noldor were mighty warriors, but they were also the most eager for learning among the Eldar. They excelled in crafts, devised languages and scripts, worked metal and carved stone and gems. Their greatest craftsman Feanor rivaled the Valar and few if any cities can match Gondolin the fair. The Noldor also contributed greatly to the making of the Rings of Power. Then we have the Sindar of Beleriand. Great makers of music and among them were created the cirth alphabet. The Sindar were also enriched by Melian the maia.

And what about the Numenoreans? The masters of the Seas who created the greatest empires to be seen. Arnor and Gondor were filled with shining cities and great labours of stone. And their armies were a long time the only thing that stopped Sauron from conquering all of Middle Earth.

Great as the Numenoreans and Noldor were though, did they ever make something to rival the splendour of Khazad-dum in its days of glory?

I'm sure we will have alot of different opinions on this subject so join us in #thehalloffire for what promises to be a really fun debate.

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The Two Towers Extended Edition DVD
Calisuri @ 11:50 am EST

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Here is a little more information about the TTT Extended edition, compiled by Ringer staffers Maegwen and Leo:

*** Newly posted information from the Official Site: [More] ***


- DVD 4-disc set with 43 minutes of new and extended scenes added to the film (also available on VHS)
- 2 bonus discs of all-new special features

Additional scenes: (Possible Spoilers)

"I think the thing I am most excited about is the fleshing out and expansion of the Treebeard/Ent story," Peter Jackson told the Fan Club magazine. "His story, more than any other single part of the film, was reduced for the theatrical version. Most of the Treebeard stuff is humorous. We have a great scene - which I really would have loved to put in the theatrical version - where he recites really bad poetry to the Hobbits, who are desperately trying not to fall asleep because that would be rude, and they don't want to be rude. In addition to the Treebeard material in that storyline, we also have a really funny sequence with Merry and Pippin and the Ent-draught, which is pretty much taken right from the book. There are a lot more surprises in that extra Fangorn material."

- Sean Bean's Boromir, slain at the end of 2001's The Fellowship of the Ring, is resurrected in a lengthy DVD flashback after brother Faramir (David Wenham) finds a boat bearing his body. (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Additional scenes featuring Denethor, the Steward of Gondor, his favorite son, Boromir, and scapegoat Faramir. The scenes help explain why the noble Faramir is rather rude when he meets heroic hobbits Frodo (Elijah Wood) and Sam (Sean Astin). (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Rohan horseman Eomer (Karl Urban) finds his mortally wounded cousin Theodred and brings him home, where his subsequent death goes all but unnoticed by his spell-stunned father, King Theoden (Bernard Hill). (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Eowyn (Miranda Otto), Eomer's sister, sings a mournful dirge during Theodred's funeral. (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Additional scene expanding on Eowyn's infatuation with Aragorn, as she watches him tame an unruly horse. (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Expanded encounters between ancient Treebeard the Ent and hobbits Pippin (Billy Boyd) and Merry (Dominic Monaghan). Treebeard's un-hasty conversation makes the two hobbits drowsy. (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Eowyn serves Aragorn a vile-looking bowl of homemade stew, which he politely chokes down. (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Boromir and Faramir sharing some pints, and one declares in beer-ad fashion, "Today, life is good." (Confirmed by USA Today)

- Pippin and Merry guzzle Ent-draughts, adding inches to their wee stature. (Confirmed by USA Today)

- The Huorns at Helm's Deep. (Speculation)

- Additional Gollum scenes.(Speculation)

- Faramir discovers Boromir's boat, triggering the above scenes as flashbacks.(Speculation)

- Eowyn sings a dirge at Theodred's funeral . (Speculation)

- Gandalf and Aragorn discussing the union of Two Towers, seen in the "Two Towers" video game but not the movie. (Speculation)

- Eowyn fighting to defend the women and children in the Glittering Caves.(Speculation)

- Saruman discussing how Gandalf has discovered the lost king of Gondor.(Speculation)

- More exploration of Aragorn and Arwen's relationship. (Speculation)

- Possible reforging of Narsil. A shot has been seen of Arwen approaching the shards in Rivendell, but was not included in theatrical version.(Speculation)

- Elrond in Lothlorien. Haldir tells Theoden he 'brings word from Elrond' at Helm's Deep. The ten-minute TTT preview contains a shot from a possible scene of a face-to-face discussion taking place in Galadriel's realm.(Speculation)

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6-17-03 Latest News

Middle-earth Eden
Xoanon @ 10:08 pm EST

Rxphilip writes: Well here it is, complete with Faramir's cave, Bilbo, the Argonath, and the sign of Bag End, The Eye of Sauron tile mosaic, and the Hobbit Hole Hot tub. Hope you like it.

Billy Boyd Takes The Stage
Xoanon @ 10:34 am EST

Stewart writes: This summer, the award winning Tron Theatre Company will be appearing at the official Edinburgh International Festival (EIF) with the world première of a SAN DIEGO, a new play by the acclaimed Scottish writer David Greig. Surreal, comic and strangely, powerfully resonant, SAN DIEGO features an ensemble cast of eleven performers including Billy Boyd, making a cameo appearance as the playwright himself.

The Tron Theatre, Glasgow, Thursday 7th to Saturday 9th August @ 8pm

The Royal Lyceum Theatre, Edinburgh, Friday 15th to Sunday 17th August @ 7.30pm Matinees, Saturday 16th and Sunday 17th @ 2.30pm

6-16-03 Latest News

Terrific NEW Green Books for June!
Quickbeam @ 9:27 pm EST

Greetings, Quickbeam here. Green Books kicks off the summer with another full update featuring new articles that will give mucho gusto:

--- Go Out on a Limb with me in search of Middle-earth's missing penguins, foot fungus, kitty boxes, and other unmentionables!
--- Anwyn's new Counterpoint asks if the Rings pop-culture explosion is really a good thing?
--- Turgon's Bookshelf provides a great overview of TTT movie-related books from Brian Sibley, Gary Russell, and more.
--- Tookish offers diverse jokes and humor (submitted by Fans) in Ticklers!
--- Moon Letters has a great selection of Fan Fiction and Poems, and even a recipe for Goldberry Tarts!
--- Questions & Answers has 15 fascinating new queries including:
1. Were Balrogs the children of Morgoth?
2. Was Rohan critically depopulated?
3. Why didn't Gollum seek the Ring in the Shire?
4. Were there two Dwarrowdelfs?
5. When was the ban on Galadriel lifted?

Want to share your views on Tolkien with an intelligent readership? You could be our Special Guest writer! Submit original article ideas to Turgon here. Join us as we continue to explore the WORDS and WORLDS of Tolkien!

Much too hasty,

6-15-03 Latest News

Yet Another Perl Hacker Required!
Arathorn @ 8:13 pm EST

The technical side of TORn is built on mod_perl. This ranges from mod_perl subs being invoked from SSI templates to fullblown Apache::Registry applications and mod_perl handlers. Whilst parts of the site are also implemented in PHP (Reviews, Line Parties), we believe that well-written mod_perl should be just as maintainable and accessible as PHP - and certainly more powerful and consistent with the overall architecture of the site.

Unfortunately, we are running low on manpower. We have many exciting new site sections which we want to get running before RoTK arrives. Unfortunately, the current team simply doesn't have enough free time to do them all. So, if you're a perl hacker who's been hooked on TORn and you have time this summer to take on some of these projects and contribute back, we'd love to hear from you. In return, your work would be seen and appreciated by the hundreds of thousands of viewers that come to TORn every day - showcased on one of the largest and most exciting fan-run websites ever at the climax of its success.

The ideal skills we are looking for are:

If you're still reading and interested, then we'd love to hear from you as soon as possible. Please mail an introduction, CV/Resumé + anything else you think might be relevant to me at arathorn@theonering.net.

6-13-03 Latest News

Hall Of Fire Chats This Weekend
Frode @ 9:04 pm EST

After the great battle, Gimli and Legolas enters Minas Tirith and make some interesting observations about mankind. A servant of Prince Imrahil takes them to the houses of healing where they tell Pippin and Merry the dark tale of the Paths of the Dead. Meanwhile the Captains of the West hold a debate in the tents of Aragorn. For though one battle is won, Sauron is now massing armies so great that the defeat of Gondor seems inevitable.

What do you think about Gimli and Legolas musings about Men? What do you think of the speculation about Imrahils background? The tale of the Paths of the Dead and the battle of Pelargir is also something we'll look at more closely. What happens to Legolas, and what do you think about his vision of Aragorn with the One Ring?

During the debate of the captains a bold plan to ride out and meet Saurons forces is agreed upon. What are the captains hoping to achieve with this? How well do they guess Saurons mind? What precautions do they make in case their plan fails?

Join us in #thehalloffire as we take a look at Return of the King book V, Chapter IX – The Last Debate.

Saturday Chat:
5:30pm ET (17:30)
[also 11:30pm (23:30) CET and 7:30am Sunday (07:30) AET]

Sunday Chat:
7:00 pm (19:00) CET
[also 1:00pm (13:00) ET and 3:00am (03:00) Monday morning AET]

ET = Eastern Time, USA's East Coast
CET = Central European Time, Central Europe
AET = Australian East Coast

Do you have a possible topic for Hall of Fire? Drop us a line at halloffire@theonering.net.

LOTR and Sars Caption Contest
Tehanu @ 6:37 am EST

SARS Pic Caption Contest.
OK, lots of fun ideas came in to caption this bizarre image. Thanks to everyone who wrote in! I promised to pick the ones that made me laugh out loud, or at least snicker, so here they are.

"There were others of the Istari who traveled into the far east of Middle Earth, and do not come into this tale. Until now" - SB
"Masks prove ineffective in preventing the spread of Two Towers Three Quarter Angle Syndrome, a neurological disorder which was first observed to effect the cast of the movie and now seems to be spreading to moviegoers." - Ruth

"Jeez, when they said Viggo Mortensen didn't shower for months so he could get "into the role" of Aragorn, I didn't know it would come to this..." Covert Rogue
"Gosh, Aragorn NEED to take a bath." - RennWench
On similar lines, a few more:
"Not even a mask could help poor Misako ignore that Rangery not-so-fresh feeling when Aragorn was near." - Merrylyn
"One does not simply walk into Beijing ... The very air you breathe is deadly." - Makilwen
"They should have never used scratch-and-sniff for the Gollum scenes!" - Jeff Sontag
"That Gollum...he even makes the movie poster smell!" - Rosa Burrows
"Has Aragorn bathed yet???!!!" - Chantelle
*Gasp* "Holy crap! Aragorn! For the love of Gondor, take a bath!!!" - Merrylyn
"Those Nazgul really should do something about their Black Breath!" - Gwaihir's Feather
"TTT was the first movie to be shown in Smell-O-Vision. Unfortunately the Dead Marshes scene proved too much for this unfortunate movie-goer" - Kath

"I'll be fine by December, and no, you can't have my ticket!" - Carl
"I told my boss I was sick today. Again." - Peggy
"Boromir's paranoid replacement. Fear not going slowly, Only standing still." Rosebud. [Actually I'm not sure if the last bit was meant for part of the caption, but it has a certain weird logic.]
"I ask you, how are we supposed to identify and guard ourselves against the SARSuman threat if he isn't even pictured in the public service posters?" - Anne
"Dude! All I need now is some heavy eye-liner and I'll be a servant of the Dark Lord!" - Kristina
"Here we see the first costume concept for the Easterlings" - Brian
"I don't care if I work for ILM. I have to see Gollum again!” - Mechelle
"Tell me honestly... do I look like one of those guys from Mordor? Yes, I know that the mask is the wrong color!" - Emily
All these are from Robert:
"A bad combination: a germ-fearing geek."
"THIS is representative of female fantasy lovers?"
"Huh? Me looking for Jackie Chan flick. Who Frodo?"

That Was Much More Fun at Mill!
Demosthenes @ 3:56 am EST

A little bit delayed - okay, muchly delayed! - here is the Tolkien Society's report of the action at the 2003 Tolkien Weekend at Sarehole Mill on May 17 and 18 ...

2003's Tolkien Weekend at Sarehole Mill was the wettest yet, but that didn't deter anyone! The Tolkien Weekend is an event put together by a partnership of the Tolkien Society, Birmingham City Council, the Moseley Bog Conservation Group, The River Cole & Chinn Brook Conservation Group and The Wildlife Trust for Birmingham and the Black Country. The idea being to show people the hidden treasures in the landscape around them which had such an inspirational effect on J.R.R. Tolkien. Last year saw 5,000 people attend in glorious weather, this year despite heavy rains it seemed that just as many people turned up.

The event was opened by Simon Tolkien who had been introduced by Councillor Ian Ward (representing Birmingham City Council). Simon spoke for about 15 minutes on his grandfather's life prior to Sarehole and the lasting effect it was to have on him. Official Opening done Simon and family were very pleased to be at the event and toured the various stalls and tents, chatting with people and signing copies of his new book (a legal thriller which is quite a page turner), and staying for several hours despite the rain.

Yes, as mentioned, it rained a lot, especially on Sunday. Previous Tolkien Weekends have bathed in glorious sunshine, not this year. Mind you while last year visitors and their children had boggled at the sight of a couple of hobbits with hairy feet, this year they marvelled at their hardihood, although by Sunday they were waterlogged and took to boots, as hobbits did in marshy conditions. On Saturday members of the Tolkien Society provided a Sam, Rosie, Merry & Pippin, Sam having come all the way from Germany while various members of the council staff joined the Shire Productions team as Nazgul or Orcs. On Sunday but there a replacement Sam turned up in the form of a teenage fan(girl) who was Sam complete with curly wig, rucksack and pan; just not as portly as Sean Astin's portrayal!

Perrot's Folly

Apart from the working Mill with its displays from the Tolkien Society and Hall Green Library there were three marquees of stalls selling locally made honey, books, organic crops and fine handicrafts. Plus information stalls from the various conservation groups including the Perrot's Folly Group. The folly and nearby waterworks towers are Birmingham's originals for "The Two Towers", and there were trips on a historic bus from the Mill to Perrot's Folly at regular intervals. Games Workshop were running display games for kids and parents (and unlike the books the orcs won on a few occasions).

Another 'two towers' were provided by the Wythall Radio Club, these 'ham' radio operators were transmitting with the callsign GB2ME (for Middle-earth), but last year's feat of reaching mid-Russia couldn't be bettered due to the atmospheric conditions. Birmingham's own Vikings re-enactors demonstrated the fine art of swinging a dane-axe, or lopping off an axeman's arm; showing how dark age weapons were really used. They also displayed the artistic side of the Norsemen showing how to make beautifully decorated leather pouches and scabbards. Arts & crafts were also on show under the oak trees by the River Cole, where woodcarvers and turners demonstrated how to turn fallen boughs into works of art rather than firewood.

In the poetry pavilion stories of Gawain and Beowulf were performed in bardic style (but without the mead!) and the crowds were treated to some of Tolkien's songs from "The Road Goes Ever On". Julie Boden, Birmingham's poet laureate read a virulai about Tolkien which had been commissioned by the Hall Green Residents Association, and many of the poets present were reading from Tolkien's own works or on related themes.

Static displays aside there were: tours of Tolkien's childhood haunts; storywalks with scenes from Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit within Moseley Bog itself performed by Shire Productions; nature and archaeological walks around the Bog area and up the Cole valley. It may have rained hard and often over the weekend but the crowds still came to enjoy themselves, learn something new and watch the mill at work, I daresay that the miller was happy to see the millpool being topped up all day as it would mean he could run the mill for longer; part of the reason the mill closed was its water supply problems.

6-12-03 Latest News

The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy - The Exhibition
Xoanon @ 12:37 pm EST

The Science Museum in London today announced its next blockbuster exhibition - The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy - The Exhibition.

The family exhibition, which will open before the eagerly awaited final instalment of the film trilogy this Autumn, will allow visitors to explore for themselves the fantastic world created for the Lord of the Rings films.

Props, costumes and artefacts from the films - including samples of the models, armoury, animatronics and miniatures - will feature alongside interactive computer and mechanical demonstrations of the cutting-edge technology used to bring the story to life.

The exhibition, which will run from 16 September 2003 to 11 January 2004, is expected to be a huge success.

Tickets for The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy - The Exhibition will go on sale later in the summer.

The exhibition is developed and presented by the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa in partnership with New Line Cinema.

The Science Museum is currently London Tourist Board Visitor Attraction of the Year. www.sciencemuseum.org.uk

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